>> go ahead, finish. >> i think as for the fiscal cliff, i think that most people watching this close believe there will be a deal, why? because on taxes, i think even republicans agree they have to give somewhat right now and spending is, taxes are at 15% of gdp right now, it's the lowest they've been in 50 years, even the most right wing republican says that spending should be brought down only to 20% and-- >> wait, wait, and the point-- point two is that-- >> go ahead, finish julian fast i want to get gary in. >> point two, a huge opportunity for conservatives. >> democra want entitlement reform and-- 70% of the budget-- >> gary k back, and listen, i don't want this to be a-- you guys are debating the left and right side of it, i think right now we're talking about, everyone in the country, gary k, seems to know about this more and more as each day goes on and it's already having a serious impact on our economy, and a pretty fragile time. so, here is the thing.